Re: Robert A. Neimeyer's post re: cruising the WWW
Sat, 08 Apr 95 20:27:04


Please excuse my blunt expression of my construing of your construing
as prompted by your admission that you would allow "significant
copyright and subscription issues" to delay the availability,
on-line, of your fine Journal by even one day. Would anyone care to
name the two poles of the most superordinate construct that would
distinguish the two posts I have included in this post? The first is
from, Robert A. Neimeyer. The second is from Brian Gaines and
Mildred Shaw. Of course, it might also be interesting to consider
this post and use the triadic method of construct elicitation.

Joe Whitehurst
*** Post #1 from Robert A. Neimeyer ***
As best I can determine, he took offense at my statement that "I look
forward to the day when the whole journal will be available on-line,
but there
are significant copyright and subscription issues to be dealt with
before that will become an eventuality." I had not intended the
to be controversial, just a realistic recognition that virtually all
publishers (including Taylor & Francis, the publisher of JCP) are
moving in
the direction of electronic publishing cautiously. Because they have
to at
least break even in a financial sense to stay in business, most
are understandably reluctant to put the content of their books and
on the internet until copyrights and some form of subscription system
been devised. Steps in this direction are being made by a few of the
technologically oriented journals, however, and I am confident that
will follow.

I must say I am baffled by the apparent personalism of Joe's
response, to
which I am responding publically because he seemed to prefer to carry
this dialogue in this forum, rather than e-mail me privately. In
I can only say that (a) I believe that the journal has done more to
facilitate than to place impediments on the wider dissemination of
construct concepts and methods, (b) the ideas being protected by
are those of contemporary, living, participants in the theory group
related areas of constructivist thought, not those of its founding
per se, and (c) I am more interested personally in the creative
critique, and application of constructivist thought, whether of
origin, Joe Whiterhurst's, or my own, than I am in its dissemination,
such. I would hope that the several venues in which constructivist
dialogues are pursued, including JCP, this electronic meeting place,
conferences, and less formal contexts could all play a role in this
process, but I do not think that casting aspersions regarding one
motives advances this goal or dignifies the discussants.

********* Post #2 from Brian Gaines and Mildred Shaw

> Following recent discussions, we have added a separate PCP page to
the KSI
> web site. It has:-
> A brief introduction to PCP (largely Kelly quotes)
> A link from the intro to an HTML version of the paper on
> Psychological Geometry that we wrote for "New Psychologist".
> attempted to place Kelly historically in the growth of
> science and show how his geometry is equivalent to the
> logics used in knowledge representation. It has a good set of
> for a newcomer.
> A note on David Nightingale's PCP list server with details of how
> join, and hypertext links to the mail archives.
> A link to other PCP-related web sites. This currently has no
> and just asks everyone to send us their url's to put in the page.
> A link to PCP ftp and gopher sites. This currently has links to
> of Gaines/Shaw and Boose/Bradshaw papers. It again requests url's
> other sites.
> A note on NAPCN and how to join.
> A note on EPCA and how to join. This was taken from some material
> Mildred had on file (Devi, let us know if the note should be
> A note on the Barcelona meeting.
> The nice thing about WWW is that is very open and egalitarian. We
> intend this to be THE PCP page but rather one of many, all
> Any PCP group can put up material on the Internet which reflects
its own
> approach and applications.
> So, the next step is for everyone to send us the url's of any
> they have up so that this page can be linked to others.
> In the short term, those who do not yet have web sites can send us
> a note of any organizations or meetings that should be added to
this page.
> We can also add papers in electronic format to the archive (we have
> done this for the Boose/Bradshaw material sent to us by John
> The simplest way to send electronic material is to ftp it to
> and mail one of us that it is there and should be put into the
> In the long term, it is best if as many groups as possible maintain
> own WWW/ftp/gopher sites. The Internet is a nice arena in which to
> what you like with no heavy hand of publishing bureaucracies!
> The PCP page can be accessed through the KSI url below or,
directly, as:-
> For those setting up web sites for the first time, Brian wrote a
long 'how to'
> paper on supporting scientific communities on the Internet for a
> conference. It has all the details on formats, conversions, tools,
what not
> to do, etc. It is on the KSI ftp site in Word RTF and PostScript
> This paper also addresses the issue raised in another message to
this group
> of putting up interactive programs in the client-server environment
of the
> web. It is simply done. However, the current interface available
> HTML level 2 forms is very restrictive. We have added HTTP server
code to
> a development version of RepGrid and used it experimentally to
allow grids
> to be entered in WWW forms, sent to the server, FOCUSed, PRINCOMed
or INDUCTed,
> and the results sent back as a gif image in a WWW document. We are
> experimenting with elicitation through forms but it is a bit clunky
> with specially designed interfaces.
> We haven't made these systems public yet because they are not
> and can't handle more than one request at a time. When they are
we'll send
> out a note. It will be interesting to see how such WWW PCP programs
> used.
> We are designing the systems such that they can be used by other
> as services, as well as by end users. This is an exciting aspect of
> the open client-server environment that the web offers. It supports
> collaborative research. For example, one group can put up an
analysis program,
> e.g. a principal component agent, and another group can put up an
> system that uses that agent for analysis. There is tremendous scope
> loosely-coupled community research.
> Best wishes, Brian & Mildred
> Brian Gaines Knowledge Science Institute, University
of Calgary
> Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1N4
> Mildred Shaw
> tel: 403-220-5901 fax: 403-284-4707