Call For Discussion on HTML/HTML+ design

"Daniel W. Connolly" <connolly@hal.com>
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Subject: Call For Discussion on HTML/HTML+ design
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[I apologize for the wide distribution of this notice, but I need
to start getting this discussion archived, and www-talk has a
handy hypertext archive.]

The WWW project has recently experienced TREMENDOUS growth, and there
has been a lot of discussion lately about HTML standardization. The
current IETF draft specification of HTML has is expiring, and it's
time to replace it.

Attached are
(1) an mh-alias file that I'm using to define the forum.
(2) an edited collection of misc articles and relavent specs


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# HTML design discussion forum...
html-design:	Dan Connolly -- HTML draft spec author <connolly@hal.com>,\
	Tim Berners-Lee -- WWW Project Lead <timbl@info.cern.ch>,\
	Dale Dougherty -- GNN Publisher <dale@ora.com>,\
	Dave_Raggett -- HTML+ draft spec author <dsr@hplb.hpl.hp.com>,\
	Dave Hollander -- SDL designer <dmh@hpfcma.fc.hp.com>,\
	Elliot Kimber -- HyTime advocate <kimber@passage.com>,\
	Peter Flynn -- HTML educator<pflynn@curia.ucc.ie>,\
	Rob McCool -- NCSA representative<robm@ncsa.uiuc.edu>,\
	Erik Naggum -- SGML advocate <enag@ifi.uio.no>,\
	WWW Talk List -- Archive Mechanism <www-talk@info.cern.ch>


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<HTML>
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<TITLE>HTML Successor Design Notebook</TITLE>
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<ADDRESS>Daniel W. Connolly &lt;connolly@hal.com&gt; <P>
$Id: html_design.html,v 1.3 1994/02/15 18:35:08 connolly Exp connolly $</A=
DDRESS>

<H2>Background</H2>

<DL>
<DT>The World Wide Web Initiative:   The Project
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html">http://i=
nfo.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/TheProject.html</A>
<DT>People involved in the WorldWideWeb project
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/People.html">http://info.=
cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/People.html</A>
</DL>

<H2>Current (Published Normative) Specs</H2>

<DL>
<DT>IETF draft spec of text/html content-type
<DD><A HREF=3D"ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-=
01.txt">ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt<=
/A>
<DT>Remote file 15.254.100.100/pub/htmlplus.dtd.txt
<DD><A HREF=3D"ftp://15.254.100.100/pub/htmlplus.dtd.txt">ftp://15.254.100=
.100/pub/htmlplus.dtd.txt</A>
</DL>

<H2>Current (Informative Changing) specs</H2>

<DL>
<DT>HyperText Mark-up Language
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/MarkUp.html">http:=
//info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/MarkUp.html</A>
<DT>How to write HTML files
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://curia.ucc.ie/info/net/htmldoc.html">http://curia.ucc=
.ie/info/net/htmldoc.html</A>
</DL>


<H2>Meetings</H2>

<DL>
<DT>WWW-TEI Meeting 19-20th November 1993
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://itdsrv1.ul.ie/Research/WWW/cork_tei_www.html">http:/=
/itdsrv1.ul.ie/Research/WWW/cork_tei_www.html</A>
</DL>


<H2>Discussion</H2>

<DL>
<DT>WWW Talk hypertext archive
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://gummo.stanford.edu/html/hypermail/archives.html">htt=
p://gummo.stanford.edu/html/hypermail/archives.html</A>
<DT>comp.text.sgml index
<DD><A HREF=3D"wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml">wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.te=
xt.sgml</A>
<DT>Remote file ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.tx=
t
<DD><A HREF=3D"ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-=
01.txt">ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iiir-html-01.txt<=
/A>
<DT> Re: WWW and Hytime (was Explicit Linking is Impossible)
<DD><A HREF=3D"wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/11048/1=3Difi.uio.no%=
3A210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2011048%20/local/ftp/pu=
b/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930511.074728.98%40almaden.ibm.com;4=3Dif=
i.uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2011048%20/loc=
al/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930511.074728.98%40almaden.ibm.c=
om;7=3D%00;">wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/11048/1=3Difi.uio.no%3A=
210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2011048%20/local/ftp/pub/=
SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930511.074728.98%40almaden.ibm.com;4=3Difi.=
uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2011048%20/local=
/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930511.074728.98%40almaden.ibm.com=
;7=3D%00;</A>
<DT>WWW and Hytime %28was Explicit Linking is Impossible%29 (in comp.text.=
sgml)
<DD><A HREF=3D"wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml?WWW+and+Hytime+%28was+Expl=
icit+Linking+is+Impossible%29">wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml?WWW+and+Hy=
time+%28was+Explicit+Linking+is+Impossible%29</A>
<DT>WEK: HTML DTD and HyTime
<DD><A HREF=3D"wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/12392/1=3Difi.uio.no%=
3A210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2012392%20/local/ftp/pu=
b/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930524.152345.29%40almaden.ibm.com;4=3Dif=
i.uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2012392%20/loc=
al/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930524.152345.29%40almaden.ibm.c=
om;7=3D%00;">wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/12392/1=3Difi.uio.no%3A=
210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2012392%20/local/ftp/pub/=
SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930524.152345.29%40almaden.ibm.com;4=3Difi.=
uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2012392%20/local=
/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/19930524.152345.29%40almaden.ibm.com=
;7=3D%00;</A>
<DT>Request for a valid HTML.DTD @ CERN
<DD><A HREF=3D"wais://ifi.uio.no/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/12992/1=3Difi.uio.no%=
3A210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2012992%20/local/ftp/pu=
b/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/4E74%40cernvm.cern.ch;4=3Difi.uio.no%3A210;=
5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.text.sgml;6=3D0%2012992%20/local/ftp/pub/SGML=
/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/4E74%40cernvm.cern.ch;7=3D%00;">wais://ifi.uio.no=
/comp.text.sgml/TEXT/12992/1=3Difi.uio.no%3A210;2=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/co=
mp.text.sgml;3=3D0%2012992%20/local/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/4=
E74%40cernvm.cern.ch;4=3Difi.uio.no%3A210;5=3D/local/ftp/lib/wais/comp.tex=
t.sgml;6=3D0%2012992%20/local/ftp/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/4E74%40=
cernvm.cern.ch;7=3D%00;</A>
</DL>

<H2>Related Specs</H2>

<DL>
<DT>internet-drafts/draft-levinson-sgml-00.txt
<DD><A HREF=3D"ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-levinson-sgml-0=
0.txt">ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-levinson-sgml-00.txt</A=
>
</DL>


<H2>Related Projects</H2>

<DL>
<DT>GNN Home Page
<DD><A HREF=3D"http://nearnet.gnn.com/gnn/GNNhome.html">http://nearnet.gnn=
.com/gnn/GNNhome.html</A>
</DL>

<H2>Notes on Tools</H2>

This document was composed by:
<OL>
<LI> Reading news with GNUS on lemacs at an X terminal, saving articles in=
 mh-mail folders
<LI> Browsing the comp.text.sgml archive with the emacs interface
to WAIS over a dial-up connection.
<LI> Retracing my steps with Mosiac and creating a hot-list.
<LI> Mailing the hotlist to myself to get it into HTML.
<LI> Editing the resulting hotlist with html-mode in lemacs.
<LI> Validating the result with sgmls and a local copy of the HTML DTD.
<LI> Archiving the result locally with RCS
<LI> Using mhn to build a MIME message out of the results.
</OL>

<P>
It's too bad that a lot of the audit trail gets lost when building
these things. For example, I've coded links to some USENET news
articles as WAIS URL's. Even though I know the message-id of the news
article and some of my readers may have copies of those articles
locally, I cannot express the link to them in HTML.

 <P>It's also too bad that the hotlist feature of Mosiac doesn't use HTML
in the first place.


 <P>These are things I hope we fix soon.

 <P>I tried to use www -listrefs to generate a plaintext version, but
I couldn't get it to work like I wanted... I think I gotta get tkWWW
installed around here!

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