Re: PCP course exercise

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>> >It follows from Korzybski's general-semantics.....
>> Did you know that Kelly and Korzybsk briefly roomed across the hall from
>> one anotherat the University of IOWA; and were well acquainted. George
>> would refer to Korzybsk at times in his undergrduate courses at Brandeis.
>> Jack Adams-Webber Tel: 905 (688) 5544 [x 3714]
>> Department of Psychology Fax: 905 (688) 6922
>> Brock University E-mail:
>> St. Catharines, Ontario
> Jack, thanks for that interesting bit on the history of thought.
>There is another connection that could be made between Kelly and Korzybski
>through the work of anthropologist Gregory Bateson. The growth of the
>family therapy movement (Bob Neimeyer could perhaps tell us more)
>was influenced tremendously by the "theory of the double-bind" that Bateson
>and his associates developed (which makes the claim that in humans
>communicative ambiguity can cause distress).
>And of course Bateson has influenced non-pcp clinicians and writers
>such as Mahoney, Satir, Jay Haley, de Shazer and many more in the clinical
>field. This connection might be relevant in a graduate course that
>uses pcp as a perspective as a basis to integrate therapeutic approaches.
>Hemant Desai

Please note also that Bannister frequently cited Bateson et al. (re:
double-bind) in explicating his own (Bannister's) model of schizophrenic
thought disorder.Bateson also made some interesting comments on the golden
section proportion.
Did you also know that while Bateson was at Cambridge, his dad William
Bateson was Professor of Genetics; and it was Greg Bateson who invited
Kammerer to present his Lamarkian data (Midwife toads, etc,) at Cambridge
(Dad did not show up). This, plus the fact that he married Margaret
Jack Adams-Webber Tel: 905 (688) 5544 [x 3714]
Department of Psychology Fax: 905 (688) 6922
Brock University E-mail:
St. Catharines, Ontario

Dear Jack:

What did Bateson (Gregory) have to say about the golden section?

While I am on the topic, I might add that I have a hunch that the golden
section may be the "bedrock" of the concepts of "illusory optimism" aka
"depressive realism," as advanced by Peter Lewinsohn, Seligman, Lauren Alloy,
Lyn Abramson (sp?) and others. That is, people in a state (not trait) or
episode of depression simply lose their golden ratio. Assuming this is a
viable construction, I then have the question of whether the work of the golden
ratio might actually have preceded the work of these other colleagues and went
unnoticed. Historically, I think that the article by Peter Lewinsohn, Walt
Mischel et al. was actually the first on their work. Any thoughts or
historical documentation on this?


Rue L. Cromwell