NTTP retrieval problem, was: support for setext, the structure-enhanced text format, in WWW

Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@www3.cern.ch>
Date: Mon, 3 May 93 13:19:36 +0100
From: Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@www3.cern.ch>
Message-id: <9305031219.AA11797@www3.cern.ch>
To: pflynn@curia.ucc.ie (Peter Flynn)
Subject: NTTP retrieval problem, was: support for setext, the structure-enhanced text format, in WWW
Cc: www-talk@nxoc01.cern.ch
Reply-To: timbl@nxoc01.cern.ch

Peter,

Your www program is not contacting a www server at all. When the
document address specifies "news:..." the it talks NNTP.
NNTP says nothing about how articles are  stored, but allows
one to ask for them by Message-id.  Sounds like your newsreader
doesn't have the articles. There should be an error message.
Try
	www -v news:a7fd5104@random.se
to see what is going on.

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Mon, 3 May 93 11:03:37 BST
From: pflynn@curia.ucc.ie (Peter Flynn)
Subject: Re: support for setext, the structure-enhanced text format,  
in WWW
To: www-talk@nxoc01.cern.ch
X-Envelope-To: www-talk@nxoc01.cern.ch

Ian writes:

>   forgive me for barging in on like this, infrequent listener on
>   this list that I am, but I'd like you to cast an eye on a dis-
>   cussion now underway in alt.hypertext, comp.text.sgml and several
>   other crossposted groups, which may be of interest in regard to
>   adding an ability to the WWW line-browser to recognize and access
>   _implicitly_coded_ anchors in otherwise plaintext documents (the
>   setext graphic markup method).
>
>     Try this first:
>
> news:a7fd5104@random.se       18K, 309 lines
> news:a800bb38@random.se       24K, 507 lines
>
>     else
>
>  
file://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/a7fd5104@random 
.se
>  
file://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/SGML/comp.text.sgml/by.msgid/a800bb38@random 
.se
>

I have found a problem in retrieving news thru both www (linemode)  
and
xmosaic. Both correctly pick up my news server name, and if I follow  
the
links from `By Type' thru `Network News' to a specific group, both  
programs
correctly list the articles, but cannot access the article texts,  
giving
me instead the message `Connecting to NewsHost ...' and then coming  
back
with `Back, Quit or Help:'

It is clear that both programs are expecting articles to be stored in  
files
with names set to the message-id. I have never encountered a system  
which
does this, and my own server runs plain vanilla nntp and Cnews, which  
puts
articles in files whose names are the article numbers (sequential,  
1+).

As the www server is capable of finding the directory (and is  
presumably
grepping for 'Subject:' and piping the results back into HTML---or is  
it
actually opening each file in turn?) could not a simple addition to  
the code
see if the files are named (=message-ID) or numbered  
(=message-number) and
act accordingly?

If this is not possible, where do I find a news system which stores  
articles
under message-ID filenames instead?

///Peter