Re: Java Applet element proposal

Daniel W. Connolly (connolly@beach.w3.org)
Wed, 7 Jun 95 09:45:28 EDT

In message <v01510109abfb32dcd60b@[198.68.46.118]>, Walter Ian Kaye writes:
>At 07:55p 06/05/95, Dianne Hackborn wrote:
>>On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, lilley wrote:
>>
>>> Lastly, the word JAVA does not seem to appear in any of these proposals.
>>> Is there a tacit assumption that JAVA is and will be the only form for
>>> applets? Such assumption seems somewhat premature.
>>
>>Yes, I would agree with that. :) They do appear to have a LANGUAGE
>>attribute, but IMHO that shouldn't, as it is now, be implied.

I think you're confusing the term "language" with "media type."

The html+/3 LANG tag is a hint at the writing system, for issues
like writing direction, glyph combination, and the like. It's not
really related to the issue of scripts in Safe-Tcl vs. Java.

I like the idea of scrapping <app> for <applet>, and scrapping
<applet> for <fig>. The media type of the resource idicated by the SRC
attribute of the FIG is not generally specified in the markup, any
more than the media type of a resource indicated by the HREF attribute
of an A tag. The media type is discovered during the information
retrieval.

So:

<a href="foo">who knows?</a> might point to a CGM graphic,
and
<fig src="foo">who knows?</fig> might point to a Java script.

Also I like the idea of using the #fragment identifier as the java
script parameters too. I agree that "Client side specializer" is a
better term. Someone mentioned the other day that:

<a href="foo.3d#vx=100;vy=200;d=300">our building</a>

might be a link to a 3d drawing of a building, and the vx, vy, d
parameters would set the viewpoint and disance.

Now... a point of order... this feels like a www-talk or www-html
discussion. Exactly what proposal are we discussing? Is someone
writing an internet draft? I have suggested a couple times that
somebody write a "forms and interactive applications" draft.
I nominate Paul Burchard as editor. If nothing else, somebody
here at the W3 Consortium will write it up eventually. But I'd
rather do it sooner than later.